An Opinion From The Oct 4 2010 Candidate Forum

And add two more opinions...Barbara Nugent, a council supporter and groupie and who wrote for the opposing view on the ballot,  and Kelly Seyarto, former councilman and union fire captain,  both spoke out against the Initiatives. Nugent seemed to think not being a charter city like Bell meant that  we could not be abused by high city salaries. Really Barbara? Have you seen the salary list? If you think those  city salaries are justified I have a bridge to sell you on Date Street.  Mr Seyarto also chimed in with his biased opinion like only a public employee union member could. Mr Seyarto seemed to think that dropping yearly salaries to a level that was still well above what most Murrietans earn would hurt the city. Really? Tell that to all the taxpayers supporting those salaries or those without jobs that are as qualified as those employed by the city and would gladly work for the lower and market based rate.  So far the unified bias by all council members, a former council member, and their close groupies,  should send up a red flag.  They are trying to protect their benefits that would be lost should the Initiatives pass. Mr. Seyarto is probably nervous that if these go statewide his last few years of salaries might be reduced and hurt the pension he will recieve. Wow think about it: These Initiatives may be part of the answer to public employee pension abuse. Hey Steve Mandoki how is that 25k a month pension working for you?  Can we trust the opinions of those affected by the Initiatives?  The answer is NO!  VOTE YES  C  D E!!

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For anyone that reads this discussion: understand that most, if not all, of these respondents are council propagandists. The coordinated one voice strategy is obvious. What Murrietans need to ask themselves is whether the opinion of those most affected..council members... is credible. Most people would be against their benefits or salary being taken away from them by an outside action. It affects them personally therefore there is a built in bias against the action. The opinions of all council members ultra close groupies are also automatically tainted by the same bias. Murrietans are smart enough not to let biased people lead them by the nose and control their vote. YES ON C D E

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Remember when...ignorance is bliss huh? Murrieta is a charter city?  Maybe you should educate yourself before you preach to others.  You are council elitist personified. 4 Murrieta ..so reducing exorbitant salaries is "an experiment?" That's a rather weak argument don't you think? If they are too high then they are too high...they need to be contained. By using a formula,instead of a council compensation whim, Murrietans are guaranteed that they are not "Belled" get it?   At least that Wildomar candidate has the outside the box thinking to speak up about over compensation. And the supreme court found the assessment to be unlawful...since most people are law abiding there should be no issue. Wildomar will find it's way just like Murrieta did in its early years.  It's funny to hear the Council's propaganda from the council groupies. So we are suppose to take the recomendation from council and their close close close supporters and do what they say. So we should vote according to the opinions of those most affected.  Sounds like we hens are being led by the foxes.

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Ah Remember when...the elitism that comes out of your posting pores almost wafted into my keyboard. Listen to this person..the state government has control over what the city pays...hmmm so I guess that explains the huge differences in city manager compensation city to city from the link I furnished in my previous post. So Murrieta can point to Temecula and say oh we pay much less than Temecula so we are in line...and Temecula can point to Moreno Valley and say thay don't over pay... There is no justification for these high salaries. Intergovernmental country club memberships and other  golden perks should not be part of the council package...Ask Los Alamos Hills residents how well these memberships have served them? Overall these Initiatives are needed and the taxpayers of Murrieta should not tolerate fiscal extravagance from their city. I can see that the few and active council groupies are being busybees this morning. Keep calling each other and posting. You are helping the Initiatives' cause like you don't even know. Thank you.

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Look at Gem Of The Valley: An obvious council and government  groupie. Murrietans look at this. This poster is crying the blues because the City Manager salary will drop to 144k and others may drop from 200k to 133k. So both will go from making more than Congressmen to making slightly less than Congressmen. Here is a link to what city managers are paid throughout California:  http://www.cacities.org/resource_files/29179.FinalSurveyResults9.10.10.pdf   Do you wonder why your taxes are so high? Most of your taxes go to the salaries and benefits of public employees and that includes those that work for Murrieta. Does anyone think paying these people 144k or 133k is under paying them? There is a problem with over-compensation and the  Initiatives begins to address this problem. Cities like Bell. Vernon, and now the citizens of San Marcos are looking at Murrieta voters with hope that We The People can control out of control government salaries. The Initiatives are a good start.

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You are right Wildomar watcher. The Murrieta council and their groupie supporters are scared.  The concept of limited government is what is needed in not only Murrieta but in other cities as well.  Look at this article on the city of San Marcos.  http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/san-marcos/article_990aff72-3c8e-598f-884a-c72cec82c2a3.html?mode=story  Limiting government pay benefits the taxpayer but as you said takes away those golden perks that the Murrieta council enjoys. Term lmits are needed especially in Murrieta. We have had too many multiterm council members go corrupt and limiting time served will curtail members from becoming self serving and corrupted by developers. It is odd that those that fought corrupt Murrieta politicians in the past now fight so hard  against the Initiatives now. Could it be because "their" people are in office so they think term limits now are not needed? Well even this current council is vulnerable to corruption and Murrietans cannot let entrenced politicians and their supporters consolidate too much political power over time. We need turn over so that no one set of citizens and their council members becomes overly elite over the rest of us.